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Definitely. We are, and should be, treated as "mere conduit".

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We have had probably two requests ever, one before 
 RIPA and one under RIPA, from police. 

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It is a shame this needs no court 
 order. The details released were pretty minimal.

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Yes, regularly. We advise them that they have mistaken us 
 for a court (if it is a civil issue)

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or police (if criminal) and provide details of the web site for each.

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No. We allocate IPs to accounts on a permanent basis (i.e. not dynamic)

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but even then the IP is, at best, a machine on a 
 network (a machine we cannot pin point), and not a "person".

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Many people use NAT so the IP is a router. Even someone in 
 the premises cannot say which machine it was if NAT is used,

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let alone what person was using that machine when.

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Copyright owners already have special protection in law, making some actions actually criminal. 

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There really is no reason for them to have this 
 extra means to enforce punishment without due legal process.

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The idea that the courts are costly to use is a matter to address 
 and applies to all sorts of civil wrongs, not just copyright. 

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So the whole concept of such special legal help is flawed 
 before you even look at any of the details.

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The problem is that the business model is based on the idea 
 that you can control copying of data by legal means. 

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Copyright as a concept is based on that and the 
 music and film industry rely on that model.

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The model is flawed because it is so easy copy now, 
 something that was not envisaged when copyright was invented.

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The industry has to change the business model to one 
 that does not rely on control of copying.

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Then the whole issue would go away and extra laws would not be needed.

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It is like having a law saying people must not chew their finger nails.

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The new DEA does not affect us yet, but is so full of holes.

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The end user can migrate service quickly and 
 easily. 
OFCOM have made sure of that.

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So if someone has any problems or threats of disconnection they just migrate.

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Old ISP has to keep the reports secret under DPA and 
 throw the away once no longer a customer. Clean slate.

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The Act allows for there to be internet users that 
 are not subscribers (a concept OFCOM fail to understand)

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so there may be no way to use this 
 process for some (possibly many) end users.

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We have no so called "black boxes" in our 
 network, and we state this clearly if asked.

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This means if ever we do, people will 
 know because we stop answering that question.

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Well, they make us look like puppets of a 
 police state, if that is what you mean!